Waiting 4 Wrath - Episode 085 - The One With Everyone’s Favorite Attorney

June 24, 2016

In This Week’s Show it’s my birthday!

Now, grab a beer and help us test the god hypothesis — because, while Höðr, blind god and the brother of Baldr hasn’t struck us down yet, we are trying his patience!

Shea’s Life Lesson

This week I learned that there are more shark attacks during shark week that any other week and I believe that is because sharks hear us chanting shark week and think we are saying shark W-E-A-K and it upsets them. 

Jim’s comments

The Fab is back!

But before we get to all that, let’s have a beer!

This Week’s Beer

Lemon Ginger Hefeweizen | McCall Brewing Co

  • Provided by Ashley
  • BA Link:http://bit.ly/23aeWe6
  • BA Rating: N/A
  • Style: Hefeweizen
  • ABV: 4.95%
  • Aaron: 8
  • Shea: 8
  • Steve: 8
  • Jim: 8

This Week’s Show

Round Table Discussion

Aaron’s Birthday was Tuesday so if you haven’t left us an iTunes review there is still time for a late birthday present.

The second half of the show we will be joined by Andrew Seidel, from the FFRF. Check out what he does at andrewseidel.com and be sure to check out his forthcoming book “Un-American”

Don’t forget to use our Amazon link when you buy Andrew’s book!

Leave us a Drunk Dial at (513) 760–0463

We received an email from James who was a bit frustrated with our mention of the Orlando shooting tragedy last week. Specifically because we “glossed over the shooter’s religious motives and blamed guns” which angered him greatly. Now don’t misinterpret this, because James is an extremely thoughtful guy and we really appreciate his comments. We want to let our listeners know that we recorded last Sunday morning, only a few hours after the news of the event unfolded, so we didn’t have a lot of information regarding the specifics at that time. Jenn said it best in her reply to James regarding the shooter:

Raised Muslim but probably secretly and shamefully gay, intensely violent anger issues, phoning-in an allegiance to ISIS (And at least two other feuding factions of Islamic terror groups; the killer obviously did not do his terrorist homework before pledging fealty. What a fucking dumbass.), documented violence against women and at the workplace, etc. But you are right to have called us out on what you heard; the last impression we ever wish to make is that we are being flippant with anything like this. We are staunchly pro-LGBTQ and in no way religious apologists (Islamic, Christian or otherwise) and I regret that we may have come across less than completely appalled by all the levels of this tragedy.

From Elyce:

I’m a fan and patron of the podcast, and my husband, son, and I all enjoy your drinking, griping, laughing, and bickering every week. I heard the recent episode with Tom and Cecil from Cognitive Dissonance (another podcast I enjoy). They were bashing Wyoming and Laramie in particular — as they do with every place in the world, pretty much. It go me thinking about Laramie and its history, particularly its infamy re Matthew Shepard. I also know a book came out that complicated the history and the murder’s cause. This article gives a good overview: http://bit.ly/28SeCAd I’m wondering how you feel about Laramie and what has said about it. Is this mostly forgotten history or does it still impact how people see Laramie? Is there a large gay community, serious homophobia, a drug problem? I realize this isn’t about religion, but I thought it might make an interesting commentary for listeners re issues of diversity and how a city resonates. As a former Chicagoan stuck in the Nashville area, I know only too well how TN is seen by progressives and why. We just passed a bill allowing counselors to show prejudice against LGBT clients and almost passed one making the bible the TN state book! Anyway, thanks for reading and considering this. Cheers, Elyce

Jim will reply on air to the questions but we wanted to make sure the following links made the show notes for anyone curious:


This Week’s Stories

Patreon Story

Pastor orders members to eat mango leaves - http://bit.ly/28Sg8Sz

Interview with Andrew Seidel

Andrew Seidel is constitutional and civil rights attorney, activist, atheist, author, former Grand Canyon tour guide, and sometimes photographer.

At the Freedom From Religion Foundation, Andrew works to ensure that the government obeys the First Amendment and that Jefferson’s “Wall of Separation” between state and church remains tall and impregnable.

Next Week’s Beer

Delirium Tremens | Brouwerij Huyghe

Faith In Humanity Restored

Lt. Gov. Cox speaks at vigil for Orlando: ’My heart has changed - http://bit.ly/28TMefY

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Waiting 4 Wrath - Episode 084 - The One With Thor’s Mighty Hammer.

June 17, 2016

In This Week’s Show The Atheist Avengers stop Iowa’s Hi-Po from milking their bibles.

Now, grab a beer and help us test the god hypothesis — because, while Odin the All-father hasn’t struck us down yet, we are trying his patience!

Shea’s Life Lesson

This week I learned that every truck is a food truck if you’re a cannibal.

Jenn’s Actual Lesson

In honor of Father’s Day this weekend, did you know that Sigmund Freud regarded God as an illusion and reflected an infantile psyche’s need for a powerful father figure? He considered religion necessary to help us restrain violent impulses earlier in the development of civilization, but it can now be set aside in favor of reason and science.

But before we get to all that, let’s have a beer!

This Week’s Beer

Ellie’s Brown Ale | Avery Brewing Co

  • BA Link: http://bit.ly/28oF9JN
  • BA Rating: 87
  • Style: American brown ale
  • ABV: 5.50%
  • Aaron: 7
  • Jenn: 8
  • Shea: 5
  • Steve: 7
  • McGuffin: 6
  • Wyatt: 6
  • Ms. Bea: 7

This Week’s Show

Round Table Discussion

We have a new patron. Spencer has joined the ranks of the best people on earth with his generosity. Thank you so much.

Our hearts go out to the victims and families of victims of the mass shooting in the Orlando nightclub “Pulse”. This is now the deadliest mass shooting in US history with 50 dead and 53 injured.

No new iTunes reviews this week.

Why is Aaron’s new nickname Erroneous?

Thanks to the Atheist Avengers for joining us today! You can find out more about the battle against irrationality at http://atheistavengers.com


This Week’s Stories

Marvelous Quiz: Avengers v/s Wrath: Prawn of Justice!

Anyone who has listened to our show for any length of time knows we are a NERDY bunch of assholes, so imagine our excitement to hear the Atheist AVENGERS were going to be joining us! In honor of their guesting, Jenn has created a quiz dedicated to religion and mythology in comics!

(For clarification, the questions are written so that not always a knowledge of the comics themselves is needed to answer correctly. Because Aaron needed a handicap in this game.)

We all know that Thor’s man-hammer in the Marvel films is raised for Jane Foster only. However, in Norse mythology, who is actually the thunder god’s wife?

  • Frigg
  • Freya
  • Minerva
  • Sif

Hint: I’m totally ‘shipping them in the movies, too.

Longtime, dark comic fan favorite and recent AMC adaptation,’Preacher’ is the story of a small-town man of God who is possessed by a supernatural force. What book of the Bible is this angel/demon crossbreed entity named after?

  • Genesis
  • Exodus
  • Lamentations
  • Revelations

Hint: This book is the beginning, not the end.

Despite his demonic appearance and ancestry, teleporting X-Men member Nightcrawler is actually a devout Roman Catholic (he was even a priest briefly). While his mom is the more famous comic character Mystique, his father is actually a creature of real mythology: a demon or fallen angel from the Bible and other ancient texts, known as ‘the scapegoat’. Who is this demon?

  • Baal
  • Azazel
  • Beelzebub
  • Fred

Hint: Not Fred… J/K Pretty close to the name of Gargoyle’s cat

Hard drinking, chain-smoking, magician and con-man John Constantine fights spirits, demons and gods of all varieties, all the while looking like tantric-sex practicing singer Sting. In one storyline, he summoned the Hindu goddess of destruction and death, who (not surprisingly) went on rampage. What is the name of this goddess, often depicted as having 4 arms?

  • Shiva
  • Parvati
  • Kali
  • Shakti

Hint: Indiana Jones almost lost his heart to her.

Hellboy, the giant, red, kitten-and-pancake loving half-demon, was brought to life on the big screen by Ron Perlman and Guillermo Del Toro. Despite his questionable heritage, Big Red leads a team of ‘special-special ops’ to fight the forces of evil. He also carries a big-ass gun that shoots blessed bullets and is made with fragments of the True Cross. It’s ALSO named for one of Jesus’ parables. What’s the name of Hellboy’s gun?

  • The Sower
  • The Reaper
  • Prodigal Son
  • The Good Samaritan

Hint: It’s all about helping those in need. Of a big, damn gun.

Everyone’s favorite lasso-wielding Amazon, Wonder Woman hails from a world where actual gods and goddesses exist and involve themselves in mortal affairs. Both this lasso and a set of indestructible bracelets were a gift from which Olympian goddess?

  • Aphrodite
  • Hera
  • Athena
  • Demeter

Hint: The the one available on the half-shell

Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) is a DC hero whose powers come from the alien technology known as the Scarab, which is fused to him physically and psychically. In Egyptian mythology, what deity is the scarab beetle associated with, as it is an assistant in rolling the sun along the heavens?

  • Nefertiti
  • Osiris
  • Isis
  • Ra

Hint: Egypt. Sun. God.

Alan Moore’s deeply nihilistic series, Watchmen, follows a group of superheroes in an alternate 80’s timeline, with the US on the brink of nuclear war with the USSR and Richard Nixon in his 5th term as president. While the series itself seems more inspired by the teachings of Nietzsche, with little use for gods or religion, there are hints of Judeo-Christian inspiration. For example, when the shifting ink-blot mask of Rorschach is removed the result is much like biblical hero Samson after a shave: total loss of power. What is Rorschach’s real name?

  • Billy Crudup (actor/Dr. Manhattan)
  • Walter Kovacs
  • Jonathan Ostermann (Dr. Manhattan)
  • Dave Gibbons (illustrator)

Hint: Disneyworld would be very different if this guy founded it

Speaking of Alan Moore, another adult series of his is The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. These stories follow a group of supernaturals/heroes/adventurers from works of literature: Captain Nemo, Alan Quatrain, Jeckyll/Hyde… (They’re sometimes referred to as a Victorian Justice League). Surprisingly, the sole main female member is actually the group leader: Mina Murray, the lady victim from Bram Stoker’s Dracula. In that novel, what blessed item did the vampire-fighting crew seal into coffins of suspected potential bloodsuckers?

  • sacramental bread
  • vials of holy water
  • pages of scripture
  • cloves of blessed garlic

Hint: I guess vamps are gluten sensitive?

Matt Murdock is the angsty lawyer by day, masked crime-fighter by night known as Daredevil. Writer Frank Miller says ”I decided he needed to be Catholic because only a Catholic could be a vigilante and an attorney at the same time…he struggles with guilt for what he’s done and guilt for what he’s not been able to do to save his city.” Ironically, Saint Matthew was also guilt-stricken and met his end as any good martyr should—brutal execution. How was he reportedly killed?

  • Nailed to the ground with short spears and beheaded
  • Dragged to pieces by an angry mob (St. Mark)
  • crucified upside down (St. Peter)
  • Skinned alive (therefore becoming the patron saint of tanners— St. Bartholomew)

Hint: Not for this one

Next Week’s Beer

Lemon Ginger Hefeweizen | McCall Brewing Co

Faith In Humanity Restored

Solar Powered Zubabox Internet Shipping Container Rural Areas Refugee Camps - http://huff.to/1VZm1xh

Bonus Cat Video

Ninja T-Rex: http://bit.ly/23agnsY

Waiting 4 Wrath - Episode 083 - The One Where We Found The Cult Of Wrath

June 10, 2016

In this week’s show Cassius Clay knocks out a quiz wielding JW on the way to a Texas End Times census.

Now, grab a beer and help us test the god hypothesis — because, while Thanatos hasn’t struck us down yet, we are trying his patience!

Shea’s Life Lesson

This week I learned that floppy discs are like Jesus, they both died to become the icon of saving

Jenn’s Actual Lesson

Did you know: Born Cassius Clay Jr., Muhammad Ali changed his name in 1964 after joining the Nation of Islam. Citing his religious beliefs, he refused military induction and was stripped of his heavyweight championship and banned from boxing for three years during the prime of his career.

And I’m Steve

But before we get to all that, let’s have a beer!

This Week’s Beer

Weeping Willow Wit | Mother Earth Brewing

Donated By: Ashley

  • BA Link: http://bit.ly/1WZosR8
  • BA Rating: 84
  • Style: Witbier
  • ABV: 5.00%
  • Aaron: 9
  • Jenn: 7
  • Shea: 7
  • Steve: 5

This Week’s Show

Round Table Discussion

Reason Rally was this past weekend and I hope everyone that could make it out had a great time. Unfortunately we were not able to join you all at the capitol but we are hoping to attend Reason Con next year in Hickory. We know its a year away and…

We just learned that 2017 ReasonCon is April 21–22 so we are officially kicking off our fund raising campaign so that we can attend. We are of modest means and we’re unlikely to be able to attend without the generosity of our listeners, so please visit http://Patreon.com/w4w, use our PayPal link, and take advantage of our Amazon affiliate link.

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Story Follow up on Episode #79’s Faith from listener Brent:

Hey guys. Was just doing some catch up episodes while pretending to work and a few episodes back you were talking about the Australian paraplegic guy who was raising funds for his treatment. You said that he had sold his Holden to help pay for it, but didn’t know what it was. Holden is an Australian car manufacturer owned by General Motors. Just thought I’d clear that up. Still loving the show! Keep up the great work.

Next week we have the Atheist Avengers, Wyatt Mathers and Captain Evolution, on our show. These guys are great and we’re really looking forward to having them join us.

iTunes Reviews

Fishwithlegs - 5 Stars

No whine beer only

Great cast of atheists telling you the cynical views of the world of religious beliefs, while divulging in a few brews to keep us on the straight and narrow. I don’t know what that means but have a drink along with them because you’ll need a few beers to hear there scary stories.

Thanks to Andi H for the beer suggestion — Sunday Morning Stout from Weyerbacher Brewing Co. We’ll see if we can locate some to give a try, but according to the googles, the closest place to us where it’s available in Omaha, NE.


  • Australia to change the wording on their census - http://bit.ly/1PjsRXr
  • Texas on track to break their record - http://cbsn.ws/28oFA72
  • In watch where you shit news, another story about a dangerous toilet - http://bit.ly/1Pjtlgc

This Week’s Stories

Aaron’s Story (Patreon)

IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!11111!!11!... yesterday...

Full Story:


This Weeks Quiz

Modern Cults - http://bit.ly/1Pjt8Ka

Next Week’s Beer

Ellie’s Brown - Avery Brewery

  • BA Link: http://bit.ly/28oF9JN
  • BA Rating: 87
  • Style: Brown Ale
  • ABV: 5.5

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Faith In Humanity Restored

Florida brewery creates edible 6pack rings to help protect marine life: http://bit.ly/1PjtccS

Bonus Cat Video

CATS! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8KpPw303PY

Waiting 4 Wrath - Episode 082 - The Gender Division Diversion

June 3, 2016

In This Week’s Show we brew whale wine in the super-not-gay Bundy bros.’s trans-free God-snake filled prison toilet.

Now, grab a beer and help us test the god hypothesis — because, while Moshup, a Mohegan god who caught whales, hasn’t struck us down yet, we are trying his patience!

Shea’s Life Lesson

This week I learned that hippos are faster than humans on foot and in the water, so the only way to beat them in a triathlon is on the bicycle.

Jenn’s Actual Lesson

Did you know there are more than 10,000 distinct religious groups in the world? But of course only that guy’s god is real.

But before we get to all that, let’s have a beer!

This Week’s Beer

Pray for Snow - 10 Barrel Brewing Co.

  • BA Link: http://bit.ly/1P1Kf8l
  • BA Rating: 86
  • Style: American Strong Ale (Winter Ale)
  • ABV: 7.6%
  • Aaron: 2
  • Jenn: 4
  • Shea: 2
  • Steve: 6

This Week’s Show

Round Table Discussion

New patron Jason is such a badass that the Argonauts are planning an upgrade. If you want to kick that much ass visit http://patreon.com/w4w and support the quest!

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Don’t forget to tell us how glad you are that we’re all feeling better and totally promise not to make poo jokes next week at (513) 760–0463.

Thanks again to No Religion Required for having us on, we hope you all enjoyed a little bit of live wrath!

Followup: from Episode 71, Texas nutcase Mary Lou Bruner who was running for State Board of Education and who said that President Obama had worked as a gay prostitute, lost the primary though the crazy is still strong in Texas since she did win 40% of the votes. So, winning.


This Week’s Stories

Shea’s Story

The history of the pee patrol - http://bit.ly/1WZnGUk

The first gender-segregated public restroom on record was a temporary setup at a Parisian ball in 1739. The ball’s organizers put a chamber box (essentially a chamber pot in a box with a seat) for men in one room and for women in another.

“Everyone at the ball thought this was sort of a novelty — something sort of eccentric and fun.”

Around 1887 we see the first law mandating gender-segregated toilets,in Massachusetts and many states quickly followed suit, and by the 1920’s such laws were the norm. Many of those laws have never been substantially modified, with obvious exceptions in progressive cities like D.C. and San Francisco, meaning that much of the United States’ toilet-related building codes reflect a literally Victorian prudishness that we might mock in other contexts.

The reason these laws exist in the first place.

Women’s growing presence in the factory workforce, and in public life more generally, triggered a paternalistic impulse to “protect” women from the full force of the world outside their homes, which manifested itself architecturally in a bizarro parallel world of spaces for women adjacent to but separate from men’s.

Ladies’ reading rooms at libraries, parlors at department stores, separate entrances at post offices and banks, and their own car on trains, intentionally placed at the very end so that male passengers could chivalrously bear the brunt in the event of a collision.

Other great laws from around 1887 that we totally should still have today The Daws Act of 1887. The Dawes Act of 1887 (also known as the General Allotment Act or the Dawes Severalty Act of 1887), adopted by Congress in 1887, authorized the President of the United States to survey American Indian tribal land and divide it into allotments for individual Indians.

Jim Crow Laws (1965)

Jim Crow laws were state and local laws enforcing racial segregation in the Southern United States. Enacted after the Reconstruction period in 1890, these laws continued in force until 1965.

The Fugitive Slave Act of 1850

The Fugitive Slave Law or Fugitive Slave Act was passed by the United States Congress on September 18, 1850, as part of the Compromise of 1850 between Southern slave-holding interests and Northern Free-Soilers.

This was one of the most controversial elements of the 1850 compromise and heightened Northern fears of a “slave power conspiracy”. It required that all escaped slaves were, upon capture, to be returned to their masters and that officials and citizens of free states had to cooperate in this law. Abolitionists nicknamed it the “Bloodhound Law” for the dogs that were used to track down runaway slaves.

Sixteenth Amendment (1913)

The Supreme Court ruled the income tax unconstitutional. So, the progressives passed the Sixteenth Amendment legalizing the income tax. Originally, the act was aimed at the richest of the rich. Eventually, the tax trickled down to all Americans. Generally speaking, the higher the tax rate, the more it depresses the economy. To many Americans, the income tax represents the greatest threat to liberty and the economy today.

The Volstead Act (1919)

The Eighteenth Amendment necessitated the Volstead Act. This forced prohibition upon America. Many flouted the law and the government failed miserably in its attempts to enforce the act. Additionally, it created organized crime as bootleggers brought whiskey to the thirsty. In 1933, the government surrendered and passed the Twenty-First Amendment repealing prohibition.

This Victorian era, misogynistic bullshit law, still regulates most of our public toilets. This is a law that is hardly recognizable to a modern American. Also the practice of sex-segregated pooping and peeing as a matter of course is scarcely more than a century old, a tiny fraction of human history. Either way, we must ensure that our public toilets serve everyone before we can wash our hands of them—presumably under a faucet with a motion sensor.

As an aside; Jesus pooped next to women and he didn’t molest them…

TLDR: It’s Victorian era bullshit.

Jenn’s Story

Texas congressman protests possible future gay colonies - http://bit.ly/25yOMDn

Aaron’s Story (Patreon)

Christian School That Won’t Admit You If You Have a Gay Sibling Responds After Public Outcry - http://bit.ly/1WZnTa4

Patreon Story

Separate Bathrooms by Religion? Oklahoma Opens New Front in Transgender Debate - http://nyti.ms/1WZohVP

Next Week’s Beer

Weeping Willow Wit | Mother Earth Brewing, North Carolina

Faith In Humanity Restored

Brewery solves the trans bathroom issue and its quite elequaint - http://bit.ly/25yPe4C

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